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gotta be fresh from the fight

  • Apr. 6th, 2008 at 10:01 PM
lion, ivoted, me, sadie
I do this thing, and I'm not sure any of you know that I do it, but every time TNT airs the Lord of the Rings movies I watch them. . .in order to force myself into not hating them. I never liked the books, I never liked that orangey animated series from the 70s, I got all zzzzzzzz at the mention of hobbits, but yet--but yet--big sweeping epic fantasy drama is my thing. I love magic and princesses and good v. evil and that whole deal.

Tolkien, though? Shudder. But I wanted to like them, I wanted to be able to enjoy these like seemingly everyone else in the known world, so I rented the first one--Shire & Friends? I forget what it's called--when it came out on DVD, and it took me like, five days to watch because I KEPT FALLING ASLEEP. Didn't bode well, right? But then I did the same thing with the second one. I slept less, but I wandered out of the room more.

The third one I didn't see until it aired on TNT (and even now, I don't think I've seen all of it because of the whole falling asleep/wandering out of the room business). But for whatever reason, I just cannot let it rest that I, you know, just don't like the hobbit movies, and every time TNT airs them I fire up the Tivo and try to watch the whole thing. I figured if nothing else, it would at least become a comforting routine.

And, yeah, this is maybe the fourth or fifth time I've tried to watch these movies? And I am almost enjoying them now. Well, enjoying one, the second one. That one seems alright. Also, while I was bleep-blooping to the part where I stopped watching yesterday, I realized that, like, fully the last hour of that one is dialogue-free (you know what, everyone? if you're going to mumble, it would be awesome if you could at least mumble in ENGLISH), it's just tons of battle, and that I get. When the characters start to get all talky, or action shifts rapidly from scene to scene, or someone gets a notion to do just about anything, I am rapidly and completely confused and annoyed that we seemingly jumped from A to G and there is NO WAY I am trying to suffer through the books to understand why Liv Tyler wears three different outfits in what seems to be one day, and why is there a book and is this a dream and HEY WTF WHERE IS THE BATTLE

OH AND PS? EVERYONE IS STILL SO FIRED FOR NOT TELLING ME ABOUT THE GIANT SPIDER. FIRED FOREVER.

Anyway, if there was a movie where Viggo and Orlando Bloom and the dwarf and the blonde chick whose name sounds like Liv Tyler's character's name but isn't (AND HEY, OMG, COULD THERE BE LESS OF THAT?) fought goblins in the gloomy rain for two hours, I think I would enjoy that movie without reservations.

Also, everyone looks alike. You know I don't care for the hobbits, but I at least feel relieved when it's a Frodo & Samgee (Samwise? Sam) scene, because I can tell those two apart.

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[info]skyblade wrote:
Apr. 7th, 2008 05:19 am (UTC)
I usually don't let it bother me when I'm a fan of the genre and it doesn't work for me (And really, it's not like a 3:10 To Yuma scenario where people claim to dislike a genre, then see one and, huh, that wasn't so bad was it?)

For instance, my opinion of Spider-Man was "Terrific first half, lousy second half". And while I certainly enjoyed Batman Begins, I'm surprised at the credit Nolan received for reinventing the wheel and stuff. Yay for dispensing with Bat-nipples, but he pretty much applies the same "Moody and minamalist/reciting key phrases/implausible and unfeasable supervillain scheme" techniques Bryan Singer does.

Really though, if I didn't love the movies so much, I'd probably hate them, (Read: Pirates of the Carribean) so I say spread your backlash wings.
[info]worldforawhile wrote:
Apr. 8th, 2008 05:17 am (UTC)
Who claims to dislike Westerns? Westerns are awesome. Spaghetti westerns, not so much. They don't have that pioneer lawless feeling to them, so much.
[info]skyblade wrote:
Apr. 8th, 2008 11:06 pm (UTC)
Oh, you see it a bit when 3:10 To Yuma comes up. I admit, I love 'em all. Old School Ford ones, Spaghetti ones, Kevin Costner forgetting that he sucks ones. Except Wild Wild West. I don't think Will Smith was even fond of it.
[info]lesbiassparrow wrote:
Apr. 7th, 2008 05:22 am (UTC)
I have done this with other films also. It has never worked; I just get more bitter that I cannot join in the general glee and fannishness.

Arwen (Liv Tyler) is very lovely but also very boring.
[info]worldforawhile wrote:
Apr. 8th, 2008 05:18 am (UTC)
OMG, she is so boring, right? I keep forgetting about how boring she is because I focus on how very very much I want to like her, all non-fake-tanned and tall and built like a human being.
[info]alexparker wrote:
Apr. 7th, 2008 05:43 am (UTC)
i still haven't seen any of the movies, and i'm completely fine with that. i have no love for the epic fantasy stuff. i'm a huge dork, don't get me wrong, i'm just not that specific type of dork. my mom tried to get me to read the books when i was in the 6th or 7th grade. i got about 70 pages in, and then threw it across the room with a "fuck this noise." except, you know, without the swearing. because i was little. and in my day, little kids didn't swear like sailors.
[info]worldforawhile wrote:
Apr. 8th, 2008 05:20 am (UTC)
I'm beginning to have this theory that you have to have been alive for the initial release of at least one of Led Zeppelin's albums to appreciate the Hobbit books. I don't know why, but appreciation of 70s culture and LOTR are linked in my mind.
[info]maliekai wrote:
Apr. 8th, 2008 05:32 am (UTC)
I wasn't! Also, I have never made it through The Hobbit because it's geared toward kids, and thusly, boring. LOTR is a slog, for sure, but the payoff is soooooooo worth it.
[info]worldforawhile wrote:
Apr. 8th, 2008 05:37 am (UTC)
Unnnngh. You are going to make me intrigued enough to try to read it again, and then it will KILL MY SOUL and I will be HIGHLY IRATE.

I already ruined someone else's day today by telling her I didn't like The Fountainhead. And that's generous, because I actively DESPISE The Fountainhead.
[info]maliekai wrote:
Apr. 8th, 2008 05:58 am (UTC)
Ohhh, it's okay. Not everyone can love Tolkien. After all, if they did, it would give those of us who do nothing to lord over the rest of you.
[info]alexparker wrote:
Apr. 9th, 2008 04:27 am (UTC)
best quote about ayn rand i've ever heard? [actually, it's about atlas shrugged, but still pertinent]

"this is not a novel to be tossed aside lightly. it should be thrown with great force."
dorothy parker
[info]skyblade wrote:
Apr. 8th, 2008 11:07 pm (UTC)
You know, I was born in 82, but I have a total 1970's fetish.
[info]rosewart wrote:
Apr. 7th, 2008 05:52 am (UTC)
I read The Hobbit and liked it. It was ok.

I never finished the trilogy of lord of the rings, too wordy.

I couldn't watch the movies either. my son, he was right into them so I bought him the dvd's but I've never really watched further than when Frodo leaves the village in search of Gandalf with the ring...

There was a spider? Cool
[info]worldforawhile wrote:
Apr. 8th, 2008 05:20 am (UTC)
OMG TERRIBLE HORRIBLE SPIDER OF SQUISHY NASTY NOISES.

I think it's the third movie.
[info]maliekai wrote:
Apr. 7th, 2008 06:02 am (UTC)
SO MUCH *FACEPALM*

EOWYN. ARWEN. TOTALLY DIFFERENT.

SAMWISE GAMGEE IS HIS NAME.

I have to go now. I seem to have acquired the vapours.
[info]worldforawhile wrote:
Apr. 8th, 2008 05:22 am (UTC)
WELL MAYBE IF THERE WAS LESS MUMBLING, THERE WOULD BE MORE DANA UNDERSTANDING NAMES THAT DO TOO TOTES SOUND ALIKE.

Srsly. *mrmby*WEN and *muff*WYN really sound alike. Why is there so much quiet-speaking in that movie?

And, okay. I will give Samwise Gamgee his real name props, because he's like, one of the two characters that I at no point want to stab in the head. Stabby stab.
[info]maliekai wrote:
Apr. 8th, 2008 05:27 am (UTC)
The quiet-speaking is usually in Elvish and has subtitles! Also you're supposed to have read (AND LOVED) the books!

And that's funny, because Sam is pretty much my least favourite LOTR character.
[info]worldforawhile wrote:
Apr. 8th, 2008 05:35 am (UTC)
There are not hardly enough subtitles. In fact, I think I should watch the whole thing on CC. It might help immensely.

And Aragon (Aragorn? Viggo--I'M TRYING, he's got like, 4 names, like everyone else in the freakin' movie) mumbles ALL the time. And then I turn the volume waaaaaay up to try and catch his words, and suddenly there's a REALLY LOUD BATTLE oww, my ears.

I think normally I would dislike Sam because he seems like a bit of a Mary Sue, but his goodhearted stalwart loyalty-based decision making seems like such an improvement in the face of every other character's willful stupidity. Almost every character. At times.
[info]maliekai wrote:
Apr. 8th, 2008 05:57 am (UTC)
It WOULD help, I've done it. Aragorn. I think I like Sam in the books, but Sean Astin was so treacly.
[info]teint_de_neige wrote:
Apr. 7th, 2008 06:46 am (UTC)
I secretly hate the books. HATE THE BOOKS. Seriously so much zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. I liked the movies though, except for some hideous dialogue here and there, and the absurdity of the last 10 minutes of Return of the King.
[info]worldforawhile wrote:
Apr. 8th, 2008 05:23 am (UTC)
Soooooo much zzzzzz. AND OMG YES! The last ten minutes of that movie are so terrible, like--the rest of the three films, I can dig their look, the pacing, the acting, everything except the base story because I really just go zzzz about hobbits--but those last ten minutes? Those are ten minutes that belong in a FULLY TERRIBLE cheeseball of a film.
[info]akathorne wrote:
Apr. 7th, 2008 10:41 am (UTC)
This whole post was just so funny to me. I also am secretly bored by these movies - I think I've seen the first one about 10 times, and I like it ok, but then the second one was all...eh. I've never seen the third one and don't have plans to.

Everyone I know was all swoony over the guys in these movies, and I just have to say, really? REALLY? Which one does it for you? The guy in the TERRIBLE wig? The other guy in the TERRIBLE wig, who's also the size of a 6 year old? The filthy guy? Ugh.

I liked the books ok, although I thought the Hobbit was better, since it was more or less self-contained. Also, if the author's intent is to make a language and then create a world to suit it, I will probably be less than thrilled by the end product.
[info]evilbearhunter wrote:
Apr. 7th, 2008 02:16 pm (UTC)
The filthy guy.
[info]akathorne wrote:
Apr. 7th, 2008 10:10 pm (UTC)
Which one? Hee. They were all filthy, and half of them had bad wigs on too! (I can actually see why some people are attracted to various characters and the actors who played them. I'm just...not. Although Elijah Wood was cute like a tiny kitten in the movies.)
[info]worldforawhile wrote:
Apr. 8th, 2008 05:26 am (UTC)
For me, it's the 6 year old in a wig. Whose neck is the same circumference as his head.
[info]worldforawhile wrote:
Apr. 8th, 2008 05:26 am (UTC)
I'm glad you enjoyed it! I was really expecting more pillory-ing (pilloring?) because of the love for the movies. I will never understand the swooning, though. Especially the more I watch and the more hobbit screen time there is. I mean, dude. Most people in this movie look straight up butt fug.
[info]maliekai wrote:
Apr. 8th, 2008 05:29 am (UTC)
BUT ELF!ORLANDO!!!!!! Come ON! Dreeeeaaammmyyyyy.
[info]worldforawhile wrote:
Apr. 8th, 2008 05:38 am (UTC)
Only in this most recent Pirates movie, where he begins to look a bit like an adult male, do I find him in any small way appealing.

Also, that blonde hair is terrible on him! But that may be my bias towards men with dark curls.
[info]maliekai wrote:
Apr. 8th, 2008 05:58 am (UTC)
I saw him first with the blond hair, so it's his natural state to me. I still think he looks weird with dark hair, heh.
[info]agentsculder wrote:
Apr. 7th, 2008 11:04 am (UTC)
I really enjoyed the movies, although I can totally understand falling asleep during parts of them. The whole thing with the Ents has been known to make me quite drowsy. I think the movies work best in the action sequences, which is why I think of all three movies that The Two Towers seems to move along the best. However, my favorite is probably the first one because I am a total Boromir fangirl.

And I have never been able to get through the books. I tried reading The Fellowship of the Ring and Tom Bombadil basically killed it for me. Thank God they left him out of the movie! I really don't get all the Tolkein love. Give me C.S Lewis any day.
[info]worldforawhile wrote:
Apr. 8th, 2008 05:27 am (UTC)
I think I even dig the Ents, because they remind me of old school claymation or the Dark Crystal, but those freakin' twin hobbit people are everywhere, gumming up the works. WHY do they have to look so alike? Arrrrgh.
[info]maliekai wrote:
Apr. 8th, 2008 05:30 am (UTC)
Do/did you not watch Lost? You can't tell Dominic Monaghan from Billy Boyd? Seriously?
[info]worldforawhile wrote:
Apr. 8th, 2008 05:39 am (UTC)
YES, I watched LOST, and NO, I could not. I KNOW! But I couldn't! Not until THIS TIME watching it! I am 100% serious; I was like, one of these is the person from Lost, but is it that one? Or this one?

THEY ALL LOOK ALIKE.

<- HOBBIT BIGOT
[info]maliekai wrote:
Apr. 8th, 2008 05:59 am (UTC)
But Merry has redder, floofier hair than Pippin! It seriously doesn't matter, they're pretty much interchangeable anyway.
[info]skyblade wrote:
Apr. 8th, 2008 11:04 pm (UTC)
My loved The Departed, but wondered why they couldn't cast actors who looked a little more different.
[info]oxymoron67 wrote:
Apr. 7th, 2008 12:17 pm (UTC)
I wasn't thrilled with the books. (I never got through The Two Towers.)

I did enjoy the movie, though I admit that they were sluggish at points. Basically, anytime Liv Tyler was on-screen was an ideal time for a bathroom break or a quick snooze.
[info]worldforawhile wrote:
Apr. 8th, 2008 05:30 am (UTC)
She really is dull. It's unfortunate. I ended up wanting the Viggo character to get with the blonde chick because she at least seemed to have a personality. I mean, I get that Liv and Viggo fell in love in the rising action, but. . .man. There is just no spark there.
[info]escap1974 wrote:
Apr. 7th, 2008 12:48 pm (UTC)
Never liked the books. Never saw the movies. Never intend to see the movies.

Here's my thing. If you have to watch the movies that many times and FORCE yourself to like them? SO not worth it. I'm not going to waste my time forcing myself to like anything.
[info]worldforawhile wrote:
Apr. 8th, 2008 05:31 am (UTC)
You know, that is a very sound rationale, but TNT has forced me into liking so many other movies in the past--and movies I was not AT ALL trying to like, and movies I am ashamed to admit to watching here--I thought I might as well try to use their power for good as well as evil. (Bad Boys II. I watched the whole thing.)
[info]huehau wrote:
Apr. 7th, 2008 03:48 pm (UTC)
I have the first two movies on extended DVD edition. I've just never bothered to get the third one. I think I only really like the first movie.

I can recognize Sam and Frodo. The other two hobbits are interchangeable to me.


I haven't been able to watch the first two Harry Potter movies from beginning to end. First off, the acting from the leads is atrocious and Emma Watson somehow manages to sound like she's faking an accent even though that's naturally the way she speaks. It wouldn't have hurt for WB to have them take a few acting lessons prior to production. Second, they're so boring. They go on and on. I keep falling asleep when I try to watch them. Whatever people say about the other three, at least I was able to watch them.
[info]worldforawhile wrote:
Apr. 8th, 2008 05:32 am (UTC)
I haven't ever tried to watch the Harry Potter movies outside of the movie theater (though I will probably make an exception starting with Luna's appearance). I think it's my secret fear that they're really not that good at all, and will thus tarnish my memories of the books.
[info]gibigiane wrote:
Apr. 9th, 2008 02:36 am (UTC)
Dana, Arwen is an elf. She's supposed to be serene (hmmph, boring is definitely not the word I would use to describe her.) Anyway, I'd love to take a stroll with her in the Woods of Lothlorien!
[info]worldforawhile wrote:
Apr. 9th, 2008 03:09 am (UTC)
Okay, well--serene=boring. :)
[info]mnemo_syne wrote:
Apr. 10th, 2008 12:57 am (UTC)
I find this deeply hilarious. I wanted to love them like everyone else, too, but - they were so LONG! And sort of cheesy! Pretty, but I only just liked them. At least I'm not alone.