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lion, me, ivoted, sadie
I started to get a little wordy in my response to [info]gfrancie in the last entry, and decided it was worth making into a whole new entry. Yes, my tl;dr comes in volumes. You are so lucky.

First, let me get to the breakthrough, the epiphanic moment that I had the other day about being a girl who is lame when it comes to approaching guys and dating them: Why do I have to be lame? Why, exactly, am I lame? Also, why do the guys get to have all the fun and run game? The epiphany was, essentially, Why can I not also run game?

I don't mean that in a sleazy Player's Club kind of way, but I was thinking about that pink scourge of the bookstore, He's Just Not That Into You and wondering, why does HE get to be not that into ME? What guy sits around hoping that if he wishes it hard enough, or smiles just the right way to a random stranger, or some other bizarre juju, that a girl will want to have a relationship? That is bogus. Why do the men get all the agency (sorry, lit majors) here? Why can't I start at the same level that they do, assuming that I'm hot and awesome and that I will make my moves and run my game until they realize how hot and awesome I am?

It was my Helen Keller under the water spigot moment (yes, I've had a lot of those). Oh! WATER!

Yeah, so I was like, look, I am going to go out there and start chatting up a ton of dudes and not doing the stupid girl thing where I single out one person and put all my eggs in that basket and probably have all that weirdness come out in the communicating and then get immensely crushed when it goes south because I have put all my eggs in the one basket. . .etc. No more!

So, there was that. But, as I was mentioning to [info]gfrancie, I've now run into the problem of ABSOLUTELY NOT KNOWING how to effectively run my game. Because I know what image I'd like to project, but I have also been told recently that I am hard to read. And because the person who told me is a total BFF who I have known over ten years and even lived with at one point, I gave that opinion a good deal of weight.

So I don't WANT to be hard to read. But I'm not intentionally being hard to read, so I'm not sure exactly how much more expressive to make myself. I just emailed this guy that he was cute. Which is true, but normally something I'd never do. Normally I'd interact with a cute guy the way I'd interact with my aunt, waiting for. . .what, I don't know. Possibly, some embarrassing Romantic Comedy Moment where it all goes from 0 to 60 in a scene change! Oh, I am so ashamed of myself. Okay, that is enough self-exploration for tonight!

So. . .Cute Guy Is Cute. I tell him that. Is that too much? Not enough? OMG I don't know!! I'm totally happy to do MORE, go FURTHER, because I've had my epiphany and there is no shame in the game that I am running, but. . .I am a horrible judge of this, clearly!

And yes, [info]krock, I know. Aspies flatmouth. I almost deleted this post several times because of aspies law.

Comments

[info]maliekai wrote:
Mar. 24th, 2008 01:50 am (UTC)
I have no words of wisdom, but please continue to share yours as you discover them.
[info]worldforawhile wrote:
Mar. 24th, 2008 02:37 am (UTC)
You're so sweet to call these words of wisdom. And not words of "your shipment of wtf has arrived." :)
[info]komalow wrote:
Mar. 24th, 2008 02:09 am (UTC)
I have nothing substantive or supportive to say, just that I am totally the same way.
[info]worldforawhile wrote:
Mar. 24th, 2008 02:18 am (UTC)
Why are we this way? I wonder if it's just our generation of girls, or what. Because I have this idea that girls in the 40s were sassy, brassy, ballsy dames. Again, from the movies.
[info]nellifer wrote:
Mar. 24th, 2008 02:21 am (UTC)
Dude, I feel ya. I am totally willing to play the game baby...except for how I don't know the rules! Or rather I do and yet, I am not a natural. I need coaching! Maybe a few practices! I will drill myself a few hours a night if that is what it takes! Woe.
[info]worldforawhile wrote:
Mar. 24th, 2008 02:33 am (UTC)
Yes! Where are my practice sessions? I am over the shy, retiring damsel who needs to be rescued from herself! That chick is not me anymore! I'm all fired up and ready to go!

To. . .go!

Go!

Where am I going?

help
[info]salamandersam wrote:
Mar. 24th, 2008 02:25 am (UTC)
I have done the same thing so many times: decide that I'm going to be out there and then wonder how to actually accomplish that.

I hope this experiment works out for you and that you can become the sassy and brassy lady you want to be and then you can teach the rest of us girly girls how to do that.
[info]worldforawhile wrote:
Mar. 24th, 2008 02:35 am (UTC)
decide that I'm going to be out there and then wonder how to actually accomplish that.

This is it, in a nutshell! It used to be that I was all, "oh nooo, I couldn't let him think I LIKE him!" And now that I am actively willing to reject that idiocy, I find myself completely lacking the tools to do so. Pffft.

But I have no ideas to teach! What do you do, when you decide to be out there?
[info]keenai wrote:
Mar. 24th, 2008 02:41 am (UTC)
What do you consider being "out there"? Because I think you just need to set rules for yourself and then just, you know, do it. And the more you do it, the better you'll get at it. The better you get at it, the less it'll be a projection of an image and the more it'll be the person you want to be.

At least, that's what I've learned from watching Oprah.
[info]worldforawhile wrote:
Mar. 24th, 2008 02:56 am (UTC)
There's the rub--I'm not even sure what I consider "out there." Because when I think I'm being totally open and involved, I get feedback later that everyone thought I was all reserved. So I only know that I need to be more gregarious, but I'm absolutely unsure of how to do it. And I second-guess myself.

For instance, I could say, "you're not going to hold back physically anymore, and you're going to sit next to him and touch his arm." Or whatever. And so I'd be comfortable doing that, but I guess--my radar for how I come across is screwed, so I would feel like I was out there in space, not sure if my message was getting through.
[info]keenai wrote:
Apr. 9th, 2008 02:58 am (UTC)
my radar for how I come across is screwed

Whose isn't? Sigh.
[info]salamandersam wrote:
Mar. 24th, 2008 02:46 am (UTC)
*sighs* I wish I knew. But this is coming from someone who felt proud of herself for making eye contact with just a remotely attractive guy the other day. That's right! I thought he was ok looking and I looked him in the eye!
[info]worldforawhile wrote:
Mar. 24th, 2008 02:57 am (UTC)
Go you! But seriously, that's the sort of thing I reward myself for, too. But then what do I do AFTER? omg.
[info]fightin_the_law wrote:
Mar. 24th, 2008 03:19 am (UTC)
Ohmigod. Oh. Migod. Well, if/when you are brilliant and figure this out, will you teach a class?? Because I would pay to take it.

Honestly, I do not know how to play this game at all. And if I ever do actually manage to get past that first wall, I trip myself up in surprise and sprint the opposite direction.

Oh, and word on the eye contact. I've started doing that too and am intensely proud of myself. But, as you say, um, THEN WHAT??
[info]bitchygurl wrote:
Mar. 24th, 2008 03:34 am (UTC)
i'm totally with you on this, but you know what gets me? i WANT to be fucking pursued FOR ONCE. i've gone after just about every boy i dated (with a LOT of rejection in there), and i'd like for someone to have a crush on ME. i think the fact that i've been very down about myself and haven't approached anyone is the reason i haven't had a date in over 4 years.

i'm not much for sitting around, hoping someone would call -- but damn, it really sucks knowing that if i want anything, i'd have to pursue. is it so wrong to want to be the object of affection?
[info]worldforawhile wrote:
Mar. 24th, 2008 04:04 am (UTC)
Oh derr, I forgot the key part of my epiphany! Which totally relates to this and is: I say I want to be pursued, but I have had a problem with every guy who's ever pursued me. I've been in painfully few relationships, gone on a pathetic number of dates in comparison, and mostly all with guys who pursued me. And I've shut down 98% of those dates/relationships. So I was discussing this tendency with [info]mailekai one day, and I thought--"well, self, maybe you actually don't like being pursued. Have you ever thought about that?"

Or, perhaps I don't like the types of guys that want to pursue a girl like me. Or the type of guys who pursue girls, period. Maybe my whole only-child control issues stretch to the area of dating, as well.

So then I started thinking about it--created "Dana's Ideal Guy" and imagined two scenarios: one where he pursues me, in similar ways that I've been pursued in the past, and one where I think I'm all hot and sexy and awesome and pursue--or, in other words, control. Connnnntrrroooolllllll. And I was sort of surprised to realize that I even felt creeped out with Imaginary Ideal Man calling out to me on the street, or writing a solicitous email. I MUCH preferred the scenario where Imaginary Me said, "I like you. Come over here."

So then I was all, "well, what you need for that to happen is to start saying 'I like you. Come over here.'"

It was a little disappointing, initially, to sort of give up on that dream of being the crush object, but the more time I've had to live with it the more comfortable it seems.

I'm not saying this IS how you should feel, it's just the weird crazy thought process that happened to me.
[info]maliekai wrote:
Mar. 24th, 2008 05:40 am (UTC)
[info]maliekai!! Though I am touched by the shoutout.
[info]maliekai wrote:
Mar. 24th, 2008 05:41 am (UTC)
Also, WORD. I shall comment at length on your other entry.
[info]fonny wrote:
Mar. 26th, 2008 09:48 am (UTC)
I will also be this class, and I will totally be that kid who grovels for any extra credit opportunity. I will be in class every day with my Hermione Hand ready.
[info]gfrancie wrote:
Mar. 24th, 2008 04:18 am (UTC)
My experience and conversations with many many guys over the years is that it makes things a million times easier if you say fairly early on, "some people have said I am might be hard to read. If you aren't sure ask me. I can clear things up."
I think for many guys it makes them feel better and they don't feel lost and there isn't so much vague communication.
Really that whole communication thing is for situations just like these.

When everyone sets aside the pretense, it makes life soooooooooooo much more simple.
Not to mention people are more likely to get a little making out done.
[info]worldforawhile wrote:
Mar. 24th, 2008 04:22 am (UTC)
Truly, at the end of the day, I just want a little more making out in my life. Eyes on the prize and all.

Also, thank you for your helpful phrasing!
[info]gfrancie wrote:
Mar. 24th, 2008 04:44 am (UTC)
I understand. hah